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    • CommentAuthorkenny
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
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    I'd like to use 'google apps for your domain' to handle the email for my domain.
    Before I go and start adding MX records through the 'advanced dns' section on my slice manager I thought I'd see if if anyone else has done this...
    There are instructions on how to change the MX records for google apps for several ISPs documented here http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?answer=48242 but I'm not sure which fields correspond to the ones that the slice manager allows you to edit (name, data, auxilary info).
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      CommentAuthormatt
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
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    If I remember the Google Apps DNS, it had a bunch of records. It might be easier to use that for DNS and just add your Slice info there… If not, print out what is there now and then transfer that all into SliceManager using the advanced tab.

    • CommentAuthorkenny
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
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    For an MX record pointing at 'ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.' with a priority of 1... if I put the priority in the 'Auxilary Info', does 'ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.' go in the name or data field?
    • CommentAuthorlbmyers
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007 edited
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    I’ve actually done this for my domain on slicehost. It definitely beats have to use up memory on the slice to run postfix and a web based email client. It’s also really nice to know that I can keep my slice for development and don’t have to worry about installing something that hoses my email. Having a few web apps go down because I borked something isn’t a big deal, not having email is.

    1. Log in to manage.slicehost.com
    2. Go to the DNS records for your domain
    3. Switch to the advanced view
    4. Click on ‘records’ for your domain
    5. Add a new record
      1. Type: MX
      2. Name: yourdomain.tld.
      3. Data: ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
      4. Aux Info: 1
      5. Save record

    Once that’s done go to the management portal for your Google Apps Domain page, and there should be a link to make sure your MX records are set correctly. Once Google successfully validates that it’s set up correctly you should be all set.

    Thankful People: bdm, dstrelau, sud0n1m, bcooke, bjhess, fermion, simanyay, SergeyD, abhi, scooper, Jerusahat, Ground Control
    • CommentAuthorkenny
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
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    Thanks - that's exactly what I wanted!
    • CommentAuthorbdm
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2007
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    Likewise, I have decided against the ongoing battle of making mailservers et alia be nice. I set up an account with Google Apps last night and had wondered if any other Slicers had done so.

    Thanks for taking the time to provide your experience,

    Cheers bdm
    • CommentAuthorbdm
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2007 edited
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    Continued Google Apps Configuration

    Using the excellent tutorial from Pickled Onion, it was straightforward and fast to configure the Advanced DNS settings.

    The one issue remaining that perplexes/infuriates me (take your pick) is the final step in getting Google Apps sorted, Confirmation of Domain.

    or pasted instructions from within the Google Apps Dashboard:

    start of paste

    Verify domain ownership

    Please verify that you own the domain - fourwallsandaroof.com.au

    Change the CNAME record in your domain settings by following the steps below.

    1. Sign in to your domain hosting service.
    2. Navigate to your DNS Management page. The location and name of this page will vary by host, but can generally be found through Domain Management or Advanced Settings.
    3. Find the CNAME settings and enter the following as the CNAME value or alias:

    googleffffffffd7b09d72.fourwallsandaroof.com.au

    1. Set the CNAME destination to the following address:

    google.com 5. Save changes on your domain hosting service. Then, return to this page and click on the "I've completed these steps" button below.

    You can also verify domain ownership by simply uploading an HTML file to your domain.

    end of paste

    Here is the CNAME entry from my Slicehost DNS records:

    Type: CNAME

    Name: googleffffffffd7b09d72.fourwallsandaroof.com.au.

    Data: google.com.

    Have done this a few times now, both today and yesterday, still can't claim ownership of the domain.

    Any help appreciated, TIA

    Ben.

    Thankful People: SergeyD
    • CommentAuthorartagesw
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2007
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    I think the CNAME verirfication method can take up to 48 hours due to DNS propogation, etc. The HTML UPLOAD verirfication method is fairly instant.
    • CommentAuthorbdm
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2007
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    OK, good tip. Is that CNAME entry above correct though? If it isn't, propagation times are irrelevant.

    • CommentAuthorsynack
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2007
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    After helping a few people out with getting DNS setup for Google Apps, I've posted a copy of my DNS zone with all the records you need on my blog: http://www.neohippie.net/blog/dns-examples

    For the impatient, the records are as follows...
    ; Google Apps
    @ MX 1 aspmx.l.google.com.
    @ MX 5 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com.
    @ MX 5 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com.
    @ MX 10 aspmx2.googlemail.com.
    @ MX 10 aspmx3.googlemail.com.
    @ MX 10 aspmx4.googlemail.com.
    @ MX 10 aspmx5.googlemail.com.
    @ IN TXT "v=spf1 a include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all"

    calendar CNAME ghs.google.com.
    docs CNAME ghs.google.com.
    start CNAME ghs.google.com.
    mail CNAME ghs.google.com.
    _jabber._tcp SRV 5 0 5269 xmpp-server.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server1.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server2.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server3.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server4.l.google.com.
    _xmpp-server._tcp SRV 5 0 5269 xmpp-server.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server1.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server2.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server3.l.google.com.
    SRV 20 0 5269 xmpp-server4.l.google.com.

    Adding these records to your DNS zone will allow you to enable all of the Google Apps except for web hosting (which you should be doing on your slice).

    You may also need to edit the SPF record to better suit your mail setup. Go to http://www.openspf.org/ and enter your domain name in the text box. Fill out the form and it will generate a suitable SPF record for you.

    --
    Jeremy Grosser
    www.neohippie.net
    Thankful People: artagesw, scooper
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      CommentAuthorcactus
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2007 edited
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    synack.

    Good list. I found references to needing a few other records, however.. so I added them to the list of records I have...

    http://cactuswax.net/blog/slicehost-configuration-part-2/

    namely, the _xmpp-client._tcp records

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      CommentAuthorindiehead
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2007 edited
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    lbmyers you rock!

    entered those values into my slicehost dns configuration, now waiting on google mail to update itself and say ok.

    already done the site verification by adding a file to the public/ dir of my site's ruby app directory. put live via capistrano, and authenticated in a flash.

    good, as i really really didn't want to risk it all by installing my own postfix-whatever mail server.

    all the best,


    John.
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      CommentAuthorindiehead
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2007 edited
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    oh so excellent!!!

    the email part of my google apps setup just went ACTIVE!

    just tested receiving by sending an email across, that worked lightning fast!, brilliant!!!

    ...remind me to buy you a beer if we ever meet up, excellent work!
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    Maybe I'm a little confused ... when I setup my Google Apps domain, all I did was change the CNAME record through Google's Advanced DNS settings (GoDaddy supported) to point to my slice's IP address. Everything seems to work just fine and all I entered into my slice's DNS through the slicehost console was my reverse lookup info. Am I missing the big picture here? Should I be worried about my setup?

    -Forrest
    • CommentAuthorabhi
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2007
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    Hi guys
    I setup the dns records as 'lbmyers' recommend. but all I can do is send from my google mail, I can't receive emails yet. I can't imagine what else to do. Any/all help will be appreciated, thank you.

    This is what I get as a bounce back from sent mail:

    This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

    Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

    user@myservernamehere.com

    Technical details of permanent failure:
    PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 554 <user@myservernamehere.com>: Relay access denied

    ----- Original message -----
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    That worked like a charm. I have been configuring and blowing away my slice for a week now, after screwing up the mail server stuff so bad I didn't know how to untie the knots. I don't care a thing about managing a mail server; I'll just let Google do it and concentrate on my sites. So cool!
    • CommentAuthorsculpt
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2007 edited
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    Thanks lbmyers for the tips. Setup was a snap with your post. I found it easiest to verify my domain by the MX records (see Google apps email settings, email activation, change mx records...).

    I created the other MX records as well (as seen in synack's post and suggeted by the Google apps faq). The only thing I wasn't sure about was adding the SPF record in the slicehost manager:

    "v=spf1 a include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all"

    Does one need to include the quotations when put into the data field?
    (edit: I used a validator found at www.openspf.org, and the above data with quotes reads valid.)

    Thanks
    • CommentAuthorscooper
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2007
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    I have apps working thanks to the contributors above. Now I'm trying to get my subdomains redirecting to google apps, e.g. mail.wijjo.com, start.wijjo.com, etc. I added the 4 CNAME records, copied below from my DNS advanced view listing.

    calendar CNAME record pointing to ghs.google.com.
    start CNAME record pointing to ghs.google.com.
    mail CNAME record pointing to ghs.google.com.
    docs CNAME record pointing to ghs.google.com.

    I'm getting a server not found error on http://start.wijjo.com, etc. Is it just that I need to wait longer? Do all record additions require the same 24-48 hours to process? I tried this dig command and got the following output.

    $ dig @ns1.slicehost.net CNAME wijjo.com

    ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> @NS1.slicehost.net CNAME wijjo.com
    ; (1 server found)
    ;; global options: printcmd
    ;; Got answer:
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19795
    ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
    ;wijjo.com. IN CNAME

    ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
    wijjo.com. 3600 IN SOA ns1.slicehost.net. hostmaster.wijjo.com. 1 28800 7200 604800 3600

    ;; Query time: 100 msec
    ;; SERVER: 208.78.100.222#53(208.78.100.222)
    ;; WHEN: Mon Aug 27 19:36:22 2007
    ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 91

    I'm very new to this DNS stuff, so hints are appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Steve
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    scooper - all seems to be ok for start.wijjo.com from here.

    It probably needed a little while to get past the ISP caches.
    • CommentAuthorrteuscher
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2007 edited
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    should the mail A record be pointing to gmail as well?

    i have a deprec installed stack with mongrel, postfix (currently sending outgoing emails from my app @ www.flippingpad.com), php, rails, etc.

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